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Conversations towards a world that work for everyone
For innovators and community builders interested in how collective action and peer-powered solutions can shape a world that works for all
Entangled Future is a podcast exploring emergent mutuality, produced by Lucas Tauil.
Looking into the many threads of our social fabric and engaging in conversation with the people shaping these spaces, we aim to identify adjacent possibilities—opportunities for collaboration and innovation—that enable us to collectively build a planet where everyone thrives.
My warmest gratitude to the Holochain Foundation team for sponsoring this Podcast. Holochain is creating technology that helps people team up, share information, and solve their own problems together—without needing a middle-man. Creating carriers that cannot be captured, Holochain guarantees privacy and holds space for innovation.
Lucas Tauil is a trained, and seasoned communicator focused on participative culture and collaboration. Connected to the world of sustainability and decentralised technology he has worked as a Journalist for two decades in mainstream media.
Working with the power of difference and collective intelligence on multiple stakeholders organisations since 2001, Lucas is part of Enspiral, a collective of people working on stuff that matters.
In 2018, just before the Holo Initial Community Offering Lucas learned about Holochain on the Green Paper, and felt so inspired by the vision he couldn’t rest until he joined the team.
Together with his partner Sandra and eight other families, Lucas co-founded Quintal Magico, a communitarian Steiner school in Paraty, Brazil. The couple sailed for six years with their two daughters from England to New Zealand.
Sara Horowitz, founder of the Freelancers Union and author of 'Mutualism: Building the New Economy from the Ground Up', shares her journey into mutualism. Horowitz emphasizes the need for reciprocal obligations and community building, sharing insights from her family history and the experiences in creating the Freelancers Union Insurance Company. The conversation explores how we can learn from the past to build effective organizations and outlines a vision for a mutualist ecosystem.
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🔹 Mutualism and Community Resilience – Understanding mutualism as a practical path toward community empowerment.
🔹 Economic Solidarity and Self-Determination – Exploring how communities historically and presently build their own safety nets.
🔹 Reframing the Safety Net – Highlighting the importance of decentralized, peer-to-peer support networks alongside traditional social services.
🔹 Patient Capital and Long-term Growth – Strategies for sustainably financing mutualist organizations through generational investments.
🔹 Government's Role in Mutualism – Lessons from successful mutualist movements that received governmental support.
00:00 Introduction to Mutualism
03:02 The Importance of Safety Nets
06:00 Understanding Mutualism
08:49 Principles of Mutualism
11:58 Reciprocal Obligations in Mutualism
15:02 Learning from the Past for Future Safety Nets
17:48 Building a Successful Mutualist Organization
21:08 The Vision for a Mutualist Ecosystem
27:54 Building Networks and Communities
30:43 Creating Mutualistic Ecosystems
37:25 The Role of Government in Mutualism
40:13 Learning from Religious Organizations
45:15 Understanding Scale in Mutualist Ecosystems
49:10 Flexing Our Mutualist Muscles
51:38 Defining Mutualism vs. Other Systems
53:43 Unusual Alliances for Collective Flourishing
56:55 Self-Determination and Community Connection
📖 Mutualism: Building the Next Economy from the Ground Up – Sara Horowitz:
📜 The Rochdale Principles – Early cooperative movement guidelines:
📚 Mondragon Cooperative Model – Basque Country, Spain:
📚 United Mine Workers of America – Historical labor organizing:
📌 Episode Title: Reciprocal Obligations: The Heart of Mutualism
🎙 Podcast: Entangled Futures
🎤 Host: Lucas Tauil
👥 Guest: Sara Horowitz, Founder of Freelancers Union, Author of \"Mutualism: Building the Next Economy from the Ground Up,\" and Creator of the Mutualist Society
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The conversation explores how we can learn\nfrom the past to build effective organizations and outlines a vision for a\nmutualist ecosystem.\n\n\n\n\n🎥 Watch this episode on YouTube:\n\n\n\n\n🎧 Listen to this episode:\n\n🔗 Apple Podcasts\n\n🔗 Spotify\n\n🔗 Pocket Casts\n\n🔗 RSS Feed 🌐\n\nhttps://podcast.holochain.org/rss/\n\n\nTHEMES:\n\n🔹 Mutualism and Community Resilience – Understanding mutualism as a practical\npath toward community empowerment.\n\n🔹 Economic Solidarity and Self-Determination – Exploring how communities\nhistorically and presently build their own safety nets.\n\n🔹 Reframing the Safety Net – Highlighting the importance of decentralized,\npeer-to-peer support networks alongside traditional social services.\n\n🔹 Patient Capital and Long-term Growth – Strategies for sustainably financing\nmutualist organizations through generational investments.\n\n🔹 Government's Role in Mutualism – Lessons from successful mutualist movements\nthat received governmental support.\n\n\nTIMESTAMPS:\n\n00:00 Introduction to Mutualism \n\n03:02 The Importance of Safety Nets\n\n06:00 Understanding Mutualism\n\n08:49 Principles of Mutualism\n\n11:58 Reciprocal Obligations in Mutualism\n\n15:02 Learning from the Past for Future Safety Nets\n\n17:48 Building a Successful Mutualist Organization\n\n21:08 The Vision for a Mutualist Ecosystem\n\n27:54 Building Networks and Communities\n\n30:43 Creating Mutualistic Ecosystems\n\n37:25 The Role of Government in Mutualism\n\n40:13 Learning from Religious Organizations\n\n45:15 Understanding Scale in Mutualist Ecosystems\n\n49:10 Flexing Our Mutualist Muscles\n\n51:38 Defining Mutualism vs. Other Systems\n\n53:43 Unusual Alliances for Collective Flourishing\n\n56:55 Self-Determination and Community Connection\n\n\nRESOURCES:\n\n\n\n\n📖 Mutualism: Building the Next Economy from the Ground Up – Sara Horowitz:\n\n \n\n📜 The Rochdale Principles – Early cooperative movement guidelines:\n\n \n\n📚 Mondragon Cooperative Model – Basque Country, Spain:\n\n\n\n\n📚 United Mine Workers of America – Historical labor organizing:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n📌 Episode Title: Reciprocal Obligations: The Heart of Mutualism\n\n\n\n\n🎙 Podcast: Entangled Futures\n\n\n\n\n🎤 Host: Lucas Tauil\n\n\n\n\n👥 Guest: Sara Horowitz, Founder of Freelancers Union, Author of \"Mutualism:\nBuilding the Next Economy from the Ground Up,\" and Creator of the Mutualist\nSociety","image":"https://media-cdn.holochain.org/podcast-holochain-org/production/images/item-fbee84d11d61ab6b47123c25a269c153.jpg","date_published":"2025-07-21T00:01:00.000Z","_microfeed":{"is_audio":true,"is_document":false,"is_external_url":false,"is_video":false,"is_image":false,"web_url":"https://podcast-holochain-org.pages.dev/i/reciprocal-obligations-the-heart-of-mutualism-4s0O8mpm3rR/","json_url":"https://podcast-holochain-org.pages.dev/i/4s0O8mpm3rR/json/","rss_url":"https://podcast-holochain-org.pages.dev/i/4s0O8mpm3rR/rss/","guid":"4s0O8mpm3rR","status":"published","duration_hhmmss":"00:54:45","itunes:episodeType":"full","itunes:season":1,"itunes:episode":3,"date_published_short":"Sun Jul 20 2025","date_published_ms":1753056060000}}],"_microfeed":{"microfeed_version":"0.1.5","base_url":"https://podcast-holochain-org.pages.dev","categories":[{"name":"Technology"},{"name":"News","categories":[{"name":"Tech News"}]},{"name":"Society & Culture"}],"subscribe_methods":[{"name":"RSS","type":"rss","url":"https://podcast-holochain-org.pages.dev/rss/","image":"https://podcast-holochain-org.pages.dev/assets/brands/subscribe/rss.png","enabled":true,"editable":false,"id":"7WwnaK05F1d"},{"name":"JSON","type":"json","url":"https://podcast-holochain-org.pages.dev/json/","image":"https://podcast-holochain-org.pages.dev/assets/brands/subscribe/json.png","enabled":true,"editable":false,"id":"2cu_rIof5YG"}],"description_text":"[https://media-cdn.holochain.org/podcast-holochain-org/production/media/rich-editor/channels/AQJhMV3UjQC/image-236f1da4f42b40e1f42f950f447b6117.jpg]\n\n\n\n\n\nA PODCAST EXPLORING MUTUALITY\n\nConversations towards a world that work for everyone\n\nFor innovators and community builders interested in how collective action and\npeer-powered solutions can shape a world that works for all\n\n\nABOUT US\n\nEntangled Future is a podcast exploring emergent mutuality, produced by Lucas\nTauil.\n\nLooking into the many threads of our social fabric and engaging in conversation\nwith the people shaping these spaces, we aim to identify adjacent\npossibilities—opportunities for collaboration and innovation—that enable us to\ncollectively build a planet where everyone thrives.\n\nMy warmest gratitude to the Holochain Foundation team for sponsoring this\nPodcast. Holochain is creating technology that helps people team up, share\ninformation, and solve their own problems together—without needing a middle-man.\nCreating carriers that cannot be captured, Holochain guarantees privacy and\nholds space for innovation.\n\n\n\n\n\nDONATE → ENTANGLEDFUTURES.ETH\n\n\n\n\n\nHOST\n\nLUCAS TAUIL IS A TRAINED, AND SEASONED COMMUNICATOR FOCUSED ON PARTICIPATIVE\nCULTURE AND COLLABORATION. 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